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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 15:48:27 EDT
I'm taking Physics I and II this summer to finish my pre-med
Next year will be my junior year of college, and because I have
extracurricular responsibilities next year, I've been considering
August MCATs this summer. I don't think I'll have much time to
spring, and to be honest, I just dont want to give up another
pre-med requirements. I've signed up for a Princeton Review class
summer, which meets daily in the evening, and my physics class
in the morning - both have homework, I'm told. Do you think it's
ambitious to try to learn physics and take the MCATS in one summer?
would be ideal schedule-wise; I'm just not sure if I'll be able
both and do well. What do you think?
Your plan is too ambitious for approximately 75% of premed
students. I'd say
if you are significantly above the "premed average"
in BOTH brains and in
will power, you have a good chance for success. Since I do not
based on the law of averages, I'd advise you against taking on
> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:53:50
> Wonderful site, loads of interesting info. My case is that
of being a
> 'non-trad' med school aspirant.I
> -Am 26 years of age
> -Am a permanent U.S resident (NOT a citizen)
> -have a Masters in Computer Science and Engineering from
Florida. I had
> written a thesis, which has been used as a reference in
> -have been working as a Software Engineer ever since I graduated
(4 yrs) -My
> GPA in grad school was 3.75 -Am a resident of California.
> Lets say I am capable of making a 30+ on the MCAT, what
are my chances of
> getting into a good school like Stanford? What happens if
I make less than a
> 30? I have NO clinical experience, but a lot of extracurricular
> have been in many leadership roles starting from high school
to Grad school.
> Your input is very valuble to me and I'd appreciate your
I'm glad you found the site useful.
WITH clinical experience and an MCAT score of 35 you'd have
a good chance of
being accepted at a medical school of the quality of Stanford.
averages for Stanford in 2001:
Mean Cum GPA = 3.73
Mean Science GPA = 3.71
Mean MCATs = V-11 P-12 B-12.
WITHOUT clinical experience your chance's drop, but I do not
know by how
much. Most schools really want to see some clinical experience.
Many want to
see a fairly substantial amount, but this will depend on the
there are no stats that I am aware of concerning this. My advise
would be to
definitely get some clinical experience if you wish to be accepted
to a top
flight medical school.
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 23:35:00 -0500
Hi! I am a 34 year old non-trad student
(married with 4 children aged 9
yrs. to 2 yrs!) I am currently attending an community college
and have a
GPA of 3.90. (I have not taken the MCATS yet) I will be transferring
4 year University (USD) that also has a med school. I plan to
classes and major in psychology. Before I transfer, I plan to
get my LPN,
and I will also be taking several Spanish classes. My back up
plan in case
I don't get into med school on the first try will be to go back
my RN, and try to get in again or do Physician's Assistant. I
mention that I worked in doctors offices for 8 years, so I have
knowledge about the medical field. Here are my questions: 1)
an LPN/RN increase my chance of getting into med school or PA
will my work experience suffice? (I have already shadowed an
MD) 2) How
much will my age count against me? (Yes, I know the can not discriminate
against age, but lets face it, they are going to be comparing
me to 24 year
old applicants!) 3)I live in the Midwest and there is an unmet
Spanish speaking medical professionals, will 2 semesters of Spanish
enough to say the admissions board, or do I need 4 semesters?
finally, just how much does it cost to take the MCATS? Even a
figure will be fine. All I have been able to find out is how
much MCAT prep
courses and books cost. Much thanks, and I think your site is
> 1) Will getting an LPN/RN increase
my chance of getting into med school or PA
> school; or will my work experience suffice? (I have already
shadowed an MD)
It will not significantly increase your chances if you already
have fairly extensive clinical experience.
> 2) How much will my age count against
me? (Yes, I know the can not
> discriminate against age, but lets face it, they are going
to be comparing me
> to 24 year old applicants!)
Since you are still a relative "youngster" it will
only be a problem if you respond in a negative way to
questions related to your age in the interview.
> 3)I live in the Midwest and there
is an unmet need for Spanish speaking
> medical professionals, will 2 semesters of Spanish be enough
to say the
> admissions board, or do I need 4 semesters?
Four semester would help.
> 4) And finally, just how much does
it cost to take the MCATS?
> I think your site is great!
> If I do inform AMCAS of my
intent to retake the MCAT, they would put a hold on
> my application until the August scores came in. Isn't that
Yes, that is correct
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:08:10
I'm just wondering.. Is there any penalty for applying
to a school the
second year if you were rejected the year before. For instance,
if i "look"
ok right now, and am thinking of applying before i finish my
program, is there any harm in applying now and then applying
next year if i
I have heard from admissions officers specifically that there
is NOT a
penalty, and have never heard of any credible evidence that there
long as you are a viable candidate.
> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:18:15
> What a great site!! Good job on the best resource for pre-meds
> the Net. I guess I just wanted to ask your opinion of my
application and the
> competitiveness of my numbers. I got A,A,A+ in my Bio courses,
A's in Gen
> Chem and First Orgo class with lab and B in my 2nd Orgo.
I had a B+ and A- in
> Physics with a Undergrad GPA of 3.71 (Science GPA of 3.73).
I am working on
> Masters of Biochem (thesis) and have a 3.86. My MCAT is
14 Bio 10 PS 10 VR.
> How are my chances at in-state? Out of state? Finally, is
it true that if I
> have grad. GPA that they look primarily at that GPA and
not at undergrad?
> Thanks so much for your help!!
Thanks for your comments.
Your chances in-state are excellent! Your chances out of state
depend a lot
on which schools you apply to. See MSAR*. Some schools have strict
state limits, others do not. Re your last question, if there
data, i.e. credit hours at a respectable school/program, than
yes they do
look primarily at your graduate record.
*MSAR info is at http://www.premed411.com/home.html
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:02:57
My whole life I've known that I want
to be a doctor. Now I'm beginning to
enter my senior year at a FL private school and I have to make
I only have a 3.0 and I haven't gotten my mcat scores yet. I
know that I
can't go to medschool right away but I don't know what to do
now. Do I have
a chance of getting into a carribbean school? Should I go to
program? Do I even have a chance of getting into a masters program?
there someone I can talk to about all of this? I don't have a
now and it's stressing me out! -Sue
If you score a 27 or better on the MCAT you should have a
good chance of
being accepted to a Caribbean school. If you wish to go to a
school a masters programs sounds appropriate--yes, you should
be able to get
into a masters program, the requirements are considerably lower
medical school admission. If you can find an experienced pre-health
at the school you are attending I would strongly encourage you
with him or her. A good way to channel your stress is into finding
as you can about your options. Much of this information is available
I strongly recommend you use Google.com to investigate advise
online from various medical schools in and out of the states.
I expect you
will be surprised, if you are persistent, how much useful advise
online that is relevant to your situation.
> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:06:37
> I see the great advice you give on the site and have a few
questions of my
> own. First, what exactly counts as a science GPA at most
> majoring in Biomedical Engineering at Northwestern, just
finished my first
> year, so most of my courses have been applied science courses
> organic chemistry. Unfortunately, I received B, B+, B+ in
organic, but got A-
> or A in all other courses. My overall GPA is 3.7 now, but
I worry that if
> science GPA doesn't include the engineering courses and
calculus courses, it
> will be much lower than my overall and look bad.
> My second question deals with years in college. I can comfortably
> with a BS in three years, including all premed req. met,
and 4 or 5 electives.
> I have 17 Advanced Placement exams giving me a lot of credit
in a whole range
> of subjects, from art history to government. However, I've
heard that breadth
> of education is important to medical school admission committees.
> stay another year (cost factor becomes important in this)
to do more
> humanities and non-science courses, or will graduating early
> impact my chances of admission?
> Please let me know what you can tell me about all this.
I apologize for the
> Thank you very much for the help.
> First, what exactly counts as a science
GPA at most schools?
Science plus math GPA (this TYPICALLY includes engineering courses--you
should confirm this with a premedical advisor at your school)
> Should I stay another year (cost
factor becomes important in this) to do more
> humanities and non-science courses, or will graduating early
> impact my chances of admission?
Graduating early would not be expected to significantly impact
chances for medical school admission.
> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:05:37
> Subject: Applying to Med Schools... Don't know what to expect
> Dear Rich,
> Hi there.
> I was looking at your website but I couldn't find a place
to email you on the
> email archive. So I'm emailing you here.
> I'm currently applying to Med Schools. My GPA is a 3.93,
and I received a
> score of 40 on my MCATs. I know that I want to go to Med
School, but I do not
> know what to expect once I get there. I've been trying to
do my research
> online, but I'm only getting a fuzzy idea of what it may
> Is it like college where we get to pick and choose our own
courses? A few
> websites indicate that it is otherwise... with the curriculum
set and you just
> go to the classes that they select for you. Also, how large
are the classes?
> How hands on is the program? Is it lecture style? Lab Style
> that there are separate labs)? Discussion Style?
> Please help...
My expertise in this area is anecdotal and primarily limited
to med students
attending the University of Miami. It may be somewhat dated.
In the first two years of medical school there is some clinical
but the bulk of the curriculum is course work. There is little
to no choice
as to which courses you may take. At UM over 100 students are
in a class.
Class starts at 8 AM and runs to about 2 PM, with a few breaks--including
lunch break. Students stay in the same room through out the day--as
different professors come in to lecture. By and large the coursework
the first two years is memory, rather then problem solving, intensive.
the afternoon smaller discussion groups and labs, which are hands
conducted. Typically medical students leave the medical school
at, or a bit
before, 5 PM.
Class last either 2 or 4 weeks. A 4 week course typically
contains the same
quantity of information as a 3 credit 300 level undergraduate
course. Much of the information you are responsible for is in
but not explicitly covered in lecture.
To keep up with their coursework most students must study
a minimum of four
hours a day, seven days a week.
I'm not well enough informed about what occurs after the first
other than to say there is more clinical experience and most
talked to find it more interesting than their first two years.
> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:46:09
> Subject: RE: April 2002 MCAT Part II
> I'm sorry, Rich.
> My daughter has taken the Mcat in April 2003 and scored
> She will applying to Med school in 2004, so she have time
to retake the Mcat
> in April 2003, but my concern, based on statistic numbers
for students why
> retake MCAT, that it will be very hard to keep other numbers
(like her VR
> score) on the some level. The University of Iowa, our state
> all MCAT's scores. What if the VS or PS will drops?
> Thank you for your patience,
If your daughter can increase her BS score by two points,
while at the same
time dropping by only two points total in her other scores, i.e.
VR 10, PS
11, BS 10 or VR 11, PS 10, BS 10, or VR 12, PS 9, BS 10, she
her chance for acceptance. If after evaluating her performance
tests, and studying the statistics that are provided regarding
fluctuations typically experienced upon retake, she believes
she can achieve
the results listed above, than I would strongly recommend that
retaking the MCAT.
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:50:19
Hey Rich. I have yet another question
for you. Do you know, on average,
how many questions missed out of the 219 or so in order to get
a 9, 10, 11,
I can't seem to find this anywhere on
For Practice test V a ten is (missed) VR- 14-17, PS- 16-19, BS-
For Practice test IV a ten is (missed) VR- 14-18, PS- 17-20,
Since VR is changing as of April 03 (only 60 questions and
placed after PS)
the above VR scores will no longer be relevant.
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